Saturday, January 10, 2009

Islam: "It's Our Time" because of...Obama

A certain headline is making the rounds today.

Christians have strongly suspected the President-Elect is not a real Christian but a Muslim. There are good reasons for thinking this. He "converted" to Christianity at the same time he decided to enter American politics. He totes a bible but refutes what's in it. Again. And again. He was adopted by a Muslim man and attended Muslim school, enrolled as a Muslim. He even referred to himself as a Muslim. By accident of course. (By the way, a true follower of Jesus NEVER confuses who or what he worships).

Anyway, is it bad, or good, to talk with Hamas?

It's bad!
One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed yesterday that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas – prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.

It's good!
Huffington Post: January 9, 2009: Obama camp prepared to talk to Hamas...

It's bad!
Jerusalem Post, January 10, 2009: Obama won't deal with Hamas, 'Post' told
Obama Draws Line On Negotiations, Won't Talk To Hamas

It's good!
"Strong countries and strong presidents meet and talk with our adversaries," Obama said at an Aug. 19 debate. "We shouldn't be afraid to do so. We've tried the other way. It didn't work."

The Muslims's VERY VERY good that Obama will be US President. They are so happy. Here is the headline making the rounds:

On Obama's inauguration, Muslims say, 'It's our time'.

Why do they know it's their time?

Muslims know: Obama funded foreign thug who promised Islamic state.

Muslims know: Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim

Muslims know: Islamica Magazine says "Obama's Muslim supporters continue to work for a candidate who cannot afford to wink back at them. Given his perceived "closeness" to Islam, and the fact that he shares a name with a former Iraqi dictator, it could be strategic suicide for the Obama campaign to vocally acknowledge organized Muslim support. At a time when endorsements are worn like badges of honor, no major candidate is looking for the Muslim vote."

Christians know: Christianity of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the true religion and Ishmael is the usurper. It is ordained: He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers." (Gen. 16:12)

Christians know: Abraham pleaded Ishmael’s case before God, but was told that the everlasting covenant would be with Isaac and his descendants (Gen. 17:19).

Christians know: Ishmael would beget 12 princes and would be made into a great nation (Gen. 17:20) – the Arab nation.

Christians know: “They say, ‘Come, let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be remembered no more!’ "(Psalm 83:4-8)

Christians know: Though many Muslims try to live holy lives, at its root, Islam is evil. (Left, Muslims bury a woman to her waist in preparation for her stoning death)

Christians know that Christianity is love: "But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." (John 8:7-11)

It may or may not be "the Muslims' time." Christians know that this is a concern, but ultimately, and someday forever, it will be our time.

After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting: "Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, 2for true and just are his judgments. He has condemned the great prostitute who corrupted the earth by her adulteries. He has avenged on her the blood of his servants." 3And again they shouted: "Hallelujah!The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever." 6" The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried:
"Amen, Hallelujah!"
Then a voice came from the throne, saying:
"Praise our God,
all you his servants,
you who fear him,
both small and great!"

6Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. 7Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory!


Anonymous said...

You sound just a wee bit prejudiced towards Muslims, eh? Are you prejudiced against all other religions and faiths, or just Islam?

Ted said...

The nation owes more than thanks to three unlikely modern day patriots: professional poker player, musician, and retired attorney, Leo Donofrio; life long Democrat and former Pennsylvania assistant attorney general, Phil Berg; and Soviet emigree and attorney, Dr. Orly Taitz (she’s also a dentist).

While Mr. Donofrio painstakingly established the airtight case that BHO could not be an Article II “natural born citizen” (at BHO’s birth, dad was British/Kenyan, not American, citizen) Leo’s Stay of the 12/15/08 electoral college vote was denied by SCOTUS as procedurally unripe.

Nevertheless, since no congressman and senator objected on 1/8/09 to Congress’ count and certification of the electoral vote which would have turned resolution of Obama’s eligibility issue over to Congress — rendering moot the Berg and Taitz (Lightfoot) cases — Berg finally does achieve standing on the issue of actual harm, to be addressed at the Friday 1/9/09 SCOTUS Conference on Writ of Certiorari. Obama’s failure to submit evidence of his constitutional qualification for the 1/9/09 conference will mean he cannot thereafter challenge Berg’s request to enjoin the 1/8/09 Congressional electoral count and certification, albeit retroactive, scheduled for SCOTUS conference Friday 1/16/09. Moreover, Chief Justice Roberts has scheduled a full Court conference on the Lightfoot case Friday 1/23/09 in the event there needs to be a Constitutionally mandated action, the Inauguration itself, to enjoin retroactively.

Now that BHO is in checkmate and cannot be POTUS, he can be a patriot as well. He need not subject the nation to the expense and trauma of requiring SCOTUS to overrule his ‘Presidency’. BHO can and should voluntarily step down with Biden becoming Acting POTUS under the 20th Amendment, and under the agreement all potential claims by the Government for itself and on behalf of others against BHO are released.

Elizabeth Prata said...

No I’m not prejudiced against Islam. I am, however, unreceptive to a person who claims Christianity while the evidence clearly shows he is not. I am unreceptive to a person who is using the holiness of the name of Jesus for political expedience. As a matter of fact, that is actually blasphemy. I do harbor a dislike of blasphemy. But in all cases, either toward the person of Obama and the person of any individual Muslim, I do not harbor prejudice. Jesus said to love all, the sinners, (of which I am one) the poor, the downtrodden, the enemies. Everyone. I take that seriously.

In God’s economy, there are winners and losers. Things we must do and things we must not do. Good and evil. Those who are IN and those who are OUT. One true religion and all the other false ones. This fallen world does not like to hear that. In this gold star, A-for effort, there are no losers, and there are many equal paths to God…people do not like to hear that there is a clear right and wrong. Islam is a false religion. That is simply a fact.

However the point of the post was not the above. It was to show that Obama’s word is not to be trusted. He has flip-flopped on many important issues, including whether to talk with Hamas and Also whether he is a Muslim or a Christian. That he is just another politician, using whatever is in front of him to propel himself on his upward trajectory. I do not respect that. I do respect Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison, who was sworn in using his Koran. He stands up for his god, openly and stalwartly. Of course, it is a false god, but at least he is open about who he is. That will always earn my respect.

Who is Obama? No one knows. Except God.

Andrew said...

I don't even know how to start responding to this. Muslims say that now is their time in response to Barack Obama being elected. Does that make him a Muslim? No. Does that mean that he has pro-Muslim policies? No. It doesn't mean anything, other than that the small subset of Muslims who were asked by a reporter think that Obama in office will be good for them. Which terror group was it that endorsed McCain? Did that make him a terrorist, or say anything about his policies? Of course not.

A third party's opinion about a person does not weigh on who that person is. And when there's supposedly so much confusion about what Obama believes in the country where he has lived for 90% of his life, how is it that the Muslim world somehow knows that he is Muslim? Did he flash them the secret Muslim hand signal or something?

As to his supposed refutation of the bible, the only examples I see sited in those articles are related to him having a different interpretation of the bible than the author's opinion. Christians disagree on issues of religion all the time. Being pro-choice doesn't make you a non-Christian; not believing that Jesus was God makes you a non-Christian. If he doesn't believe what your particular brand of Christianity believes, then say he's not of your particular brand, but it seems pretty arrogant and presumptuous to deny someone the tag of "Christian" over a particular belief like that.

Also, I find it odd that someone would site Obama's use of Jesus' words to support civil unions as evidence that he's Muslim. It's kind of like using somebody's unorthodox tennis swing as evidence that they are playing basketball.

Say Obama attended a Muslim school in Indonesia. How many secular children attend religious private schools in this country, because they are the best schools available? Thousands. Does that make them religious? Nope. Does attending a Muslim school make you a Muslim? Nope.

And more to the point, there is no such thing as a Muslim child or a Christian child or an atheist child. Children do not have the mental capacity to understand what a religion entails and give it the thumbs up. Press a child for details about his or her religion, and you're going to end up with some very cute stories that don't make any sense. This limited understanding is no basis for a religious belief.

Finally, I would encourage you not to speak for all Christians when you say things like, "at its root, Islam is evil." That is your belief, and very much a minority belief at that. That is absolutely not the belief of most Christians. Despising another people in God's name is still despising another people. You can claim that it's not prejudiced to label billions of people evil just on the basis of their religion, but that sort of labeling is pretty much the definition of prejudice. Even if you can cite a Bible verse to back it up.

Elizabeth Prata said...

Islam is evil because they worship a god that is not God. There is God, and there is everything else. Everything else is of Satan. Ergo, Islam is evil.

RE Obama: One cannot be a Christian and support abortion, homosexuality, or mock the bible.

The school Obama went to, he registered as a Muslim. He also learned the prayers of Islam and spoke them 5X daily, practicing his faith, a faith that he said he never practiced when the question arose during the campaign.

The Muslim world knows he is Muslim because one born to a Muslim father means he is also Muslim.

The bible says all who are not believers in Jesus are liars, blasphemers, antichrists (evil). As a matter of fact, the bible says ALL are sinners, but the difference is that those who have asked forgiveness of their sin and believed in Jesus are forgiven.

With few exceptions (Turkey, for example), Islamic countries are fascist, autocratic or theocratic, where women are subjugated and minorities persecuted. Islamic countries are rife with poverty and have been for centuries. These are facts.

I do not “speak for all Christians”, lol, you are ascribing me a power I do not seek nor do I possess. However, Islam is not exempt from scrutiny. So I scrutinized.

Please note in the post bible verses referring to Ishamel.

Islam is not mentioned directly in the Bible, but there is recorded in the Bible an outline of the Arabic people as the Children of Abraham who inhabited the “eastern country”. The history of the Muslim peoples, therefore, begins with the prophet Abraham and his descendants through Ishmael, his firstborn son. (Gen 16:15) The enmity begins.

Continuing with verses:
Matthew 12:31 "And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."

2JO 1:7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

People bristle at the word 'evil.' Too bad. Evil exists. Personally, I say it is evil to starve a 2 and a 4 year old to coerce a mother to reconvert to Islam. (Martha Samuel issue on Muslims slay and oppress those who seek the true word of God through Jesus and the bible. These are evil acts.

Anonymous said...

Thou Shalt Not Judge

Elizabeth Prata said...

"Thou shalt not judge” is, a false commandment and a common cliché people use incorrectly. What Anonymous is referring to is probably Matthew 7:1-5 or John 8:7b

we are SUPPOSED to judge, or more accurately, discern. Christians are commanded to discern fruits (good or bad) discern false from real prophets, discern false from real doctrine, discern what is sinful or not (so as whether to know to expel a brother). Discern if a listener is receptive to the gospel or whether it's time to shake the dust off our feet. And discern and detect.... evil.

That's discernment, in this world. In the next: we DO judge:

“Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life” - 1st Corinthians 6:2-3

Anonymous said...

I certainly didn't mean it as a commandment...just a suggestion.

We, whether we are Christian or not, have to live in a world with many people of many different faiths, and no faith at all. Not good if we are passing judgment on an individual as being "evil" just because he or she does not believe as we do and subscribes to a different faith.

I know many Muslims. They are not evil. They are extremely well educated and sincere, kind people. Absolutely nothing "evil" about them. Nothing.

You're more than a little prejudiced. You need to get out more or travel and visit other cultures. Get out of your little hokey town Bible belt mentality. Nothing wrong with being a Christian in a small town. There is something terribly wrong with fomenting hate here. It's really sad. I hope things improve in your life in the new year.

Andrew said...

If you don't claim to speak for all Christians, I would probably refrain from making statements like this:

Christians know: Though many Muslims try to live holy lives, at its root, Islam is evil.

I think most people would read that as you stating that Christians, in general, have this belief. Moreover, you also appear to speak for Muslims in the post with the same language. Maybe that's not what you're intending, but that's the impression you're sending. It sounds very condescending.

Re: Christianity--I think you are using the term incorrectly. A Christian is someone who believes in the divinity of Christ, not someone who agrees with Elizabeth Prata on major political issues of the day. If believing in Christ but being pro-choice and pro-civil-unions makes you a Muslim, Islam might just be the biggest religion in this country.

The Muslim world knows he is Muslim because one born to a Muslim father means he is also Muslim.

Seriously? I'm not quite sure what to think about this statement. Are you saying that this is, in fact, a racial or ethnic issue? That people don't have control over their own religious beliefs? I think you're walking a thin line here.

Also, Muslims worship the same God you do--the Old Testament God. Is it accurate to say they worship a god that is not God, or just that they have different beliefs with regard to what God believes and how to worship him?

You seem like a really nice and thoughtful person and I don't want to sit here and antagonize you all day. I just feel like a little tolerance is in order here. It seems to me that it's against Christian values to behave like you have all of the answers and are justified to think whatever you want about anyone.

Only God has all the answers, right? And in the absence of all the answers, shouldn't we just treat everyone well? Shouldn't we avoid writing off billions of people as evil? To put it in similar terms to what you mentioned on another blog, what if you condemn a billion people and you turn out to be wrong? How is that going to be viewed by God?

Harry said...

Well said Andrew.

Elizabeth, you scare me.

Elizabeth Prata said...

Well, Harry, you can choose:

to understand that there is either good or evil in the world, and live under the influence of satan and accept evil without condemnation;

or you can come to saving grace under Jesus Christ so all fear will be banished;

or you can continue to be "scared" a lady writer in GA who teaches children and has two cats.

Elizabeth Prata said...

well, Andrew, either you deliberately misunderstand the words plain and clear on the page or you are making trouble for the fun of it. Let's say you misunderstand what is plain and a clear and go on that basis.

There is evil and there is good. There is satan and there is Jesus. A person lives under one or the other. Period. Muslims don't live under Jesus so that means they are under satan. This is not my opinion, it is stated throughout the bible in clear terms.

They could be individually the nicest person in the world, but they are still open to and living under the influence of evil. I believe I have said this to you three times now.

Also, Personally, I have the opinion that starving toddlers to coerce conversion is evil. Maybe you don't. I, however, do.

A Christian is someone who believes in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus AND has asked for forgiveness of their sins. I did not ask you to agree with me nor did I ever state that a christian must be 'someone who agrees with Elzabeth Prata.' Duh, it IS an opinion blog "Andrew". When you come here you get my opinion.

I know you know this. I can only conclude you are taking a cheap shot here. So be it.

Being pro choice or pro gay does not make you a Muslim but it also does not make you a Christian.

Muslims do NOT worship the Christian God! Most certainly not. They worship a false god. Although the Qur’an speaks respectfully and appreciatively of Jesus (and Mary as well), it insists that he is only a man, and not God or the son of God. That is the fundamental difference. There are others, but that is the major one. So. not. the. same. god.

In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. That is why Obama is a Muslim. Aside from the fact that he was raised a Muslim. In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Thought I said that clearly enough. If you dont' beleive me, look it up. It isn't a "thin line" but a fact.

"I just feel like a little tolerance is in order here. It seems to me that it's against Christian values to behave like you have all of the answers and are justified to think whatever you want about anyone."

I am justified to think what I want about anyone. Who are you, the thought police? Thinking what I want about anyone is called "opinion." nd if you don't like how I "behave" go read another blog. Seriously. You're not my mother.

"Tolerance" is a dangerous word. I do not tolerate evil. I have mercy, I pray, but I call it what it is. EVIL.

Yes we should treat everyone well. Yes God has all the answers. The Bible is His word to us, IT has all the answers. Therefore, Islam is a false religion. It is evil and hateful. People who practice it are going to hell. Sorry, those are the answers. You might not like them, but that's the truth.

No, we should not write off billions of people as evil. Jesus gave Christians a commandment, to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth. ("The Great Commission.") If we 'wrote them off' we would not be preaching the gospel to every nation, like He said to do.

God views people who fail to follow His commandments as worse than the ones who never knew His commandments at all. Therefore, though we do not 'write off' people, we preach, and if they do not receive, we "shake the dust off our feet and go to another town." We offer the Truth in love. It was their choice to reject the gospel. Remember, black/white; good/evil; heaven/hell. It's the truth.

And if you have nothing better to do than stalk me and rip off what I said "on another blog" and twisting the words to use here, at least have the courage to say what blog. And get a life.

EBenz said...

Thank you for defending what you and so many others believe--and know--to be true! All of this has been clearly prophesied in God's word and many have been too silent for far too long. I believe this is one more assurance that our time is growing short before Christ returns for His church. It's time for us to stand up and shout WAKE UP!

Elizabeth Prata said...

Amen to THAT, EBENZ!

Tammy said...

Oh here is Anonymous again. You tell me how a peaceful religion could stone a woman to death for being raped....raped....let me say it again.....RAPED?

Explain that one.

Tammy said...

Oh Ted, nooo....Biden acting POTUSA? I shudder to think. The only thing worse than Obama in office is Biden or Pelosi.

And it would have to be Pelosi...because Biden would have no authority if Obama was not eligible.

Anonymous said...

Elizabeth - there are nations in the world where people like you might be more comfortable than our United States.

There are places where religion-based tribal fighting has been the norm for many generations.

You might seek refuge there - you would fit in so comfortably. You could personally go to war with those who disagree with you. Isn't that what you want? You want to destroy those who don't believe what you believe? You wish for only your religion to survive? That's what they're doing each and every day "Over There" and you're missing out!

There's a better place for you in this world than in these wishy-washy, peace-seeking, all-accepting and freedom-loving United States.

And the most beautiful part: Here, you are free to buy a ticket to go there. Without even proving you believe in the "correct" God.

Of course, you're also free to stay here, although I doubt you'll ever find the kind of "peace" you seek.

Our Nation is Great because it accepts people from any religion and every ethnic background and it PROTECTS every one of them. In doing so, it assures that we won't become a "Holy War" nation that destroys itself from within.

The "End Times" are happening every day just across the ocean. If you want to participate, it's just a small financial investment away.

If you choose to stay here, don't expect to find the satisfaction you seek - we are a peace loving nation. I choose to stay here for that reason, not in spite of it.

Elizabeth Prata said...

'the correct god'?

There's only one God, Anonymous.

And I would be 'more comfortable' in another country because I believe in God? I don't get the connection.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous you said "people like you."

Oh how quickly the Obama 'love' and 'unity' and 'we are all in this together' under 'one nation' fades!

In your hypocritical world, there's 'people like us', and 'people like you'.

You accidentally revealing your hypocrisy is nothing new though. We know that 'people like you' just want to ship out people like us and THEN you get your one nation under God just the way you want it. Just toss out everybody with a different opinion and everything will be all right, eh?

Intolerant hater.